Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. Why do you think I do not? So I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study? Is highly recomended, presenting four distinctive views about going "beyond the Bible", in ethics and moral issues, each one written by serious scholar. Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. Tools. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. Is she a false teacher? (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d Its very easy to think of Priscilla and think, Whats not to love?. There are two sources for fear: when we are caught up in something we did not count on, and when we are not in control. Theres more than one link in the article providing video evidence of this. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. Romans 16:17-18, They said to you, In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions. It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. read more, Scripture: If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. Being a person of great influence and wealth, he had demanded that he be given a place in the group because he wanted to "perform" before -Opened new Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. read more, Scripture: 2. I guess I have to do some research on those folks. So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. If that is you, let me save you the time and effort of writing another comment. Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. 1And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things. Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . There's more to my answer than you might think. Do you interpret scripture to mean women should not witness to all people; share the gospel message to all nations not just other women or children? 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Do you have other references to their false teaching? Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. Armor of God Workbook with Video Access MATTHEW 14:16 I would recommend reading the book reviews and listening to the sermon reviews. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, but in my mind, if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! (And if you need any help getting started, Ive got some resources that will help you under the Bible Studies tab at the top of this page.) Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. You are very kind and encouraging :0). Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: I think you might find this brief video helpful as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk. on that if youre interested. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. Thats a long sentence!). "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. I understand that you have your opinion about Mrs Shirer but to judge I do not think God led you to write this check your heart. Matthew 14:15-16. THE CALL? I wish this particular writer would have more clearly defined what he means by silence. Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. This is not a new idea. All comments are handled manually, and I do not publish comments which promote false doctrine. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? August 11, 2002 AM I think you are judging and do not agree with you. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? One of them went up to him and told him. The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. Heres why. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. How does God regard false teachers, and how are we to deal with them in our personal lives and families, and as the church? Jeremiah 24:7. Then why did you ask me any questions? Michelle, what do you think about this article? http://lisaharper.net/calendarevents/. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. There are two crucial reasons for this. This is not a Church. A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. Esther 4:16 fasting. If our feelings, opinions, or experiences contradict Gods word, then those feelings, experiences, and opinions are wrong and we need to repent and believe Gods word instead. We are committed to teaching the uncompromising truths of His Word. The riches of His word are amazing! SCRIPTURES YOU CAN USE: I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. Having just heard what efforts even St. Paul had to make to run in the Christian race, and how terribly their fathers in the wilderness had failed to meet the requirements of God, they might be inclined to throw up every effort in despair. Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. Jude 18-19. The third, Chris Rosebrough, is Lutheran (AALC), and much of his theology is in line with Reformed theology. 3 Tests Of Plagiarism: Do Your Sermons Pass Them. Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). read more, Scripture: ), partnering with false teachers (thank you for noting this! Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) Im surprised to hear thats her position. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. I thought Jesus used parables as a means of illustrating profound, divine truths. 3. We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. Also, there are some great resources here. Astonished Beyond Measure Lots of information about those online and at http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com and Berean Research. Its not like they bend over backwards to exclude men and cant help it if men stay, short of being bodily removed. Free Sermons and Sermon Outlines for Preaching : How To Respond To Newly-Delivered People Who Still Are A Mess. You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ. To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). Certainly. Mark 10:46-53 Thank you so much for your consideration, You do not want to get rid of fear entirely. Go beyond by faith. #4b believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine and Osteens. Since you havent had a chance to question Priscilla about what she was talking about here (or maybe it was revealed in this Bible study? Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. Indeed, we were the first to reach you with the gospel of Christ. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. Your objection is most likely answered here. 4. Again, since Scripture, not our opinions or feelings, is our authority, we have to obey that. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. 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